1 1 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 2 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 3 THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16, 2021 4 x--------------------------------x 5 IN THE MATTER OF: * 6 THE REGULAR MEETING * TRANSCRIPT 7 OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY * OF 8 OF THE CITY OF NEWARK * PROCEEDINGS 9 Commencing at 5:00 p.m. * 10 x--------------------------------x 11 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 12 500 BROAD STREET 13 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 14 B E F O R E: 15 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 16 EDDIE OSBORNE, President 17 MARTINIQUE COSTA, Commissioner 18 FAUSTO BAEZ, Commissioner 19 NORMA GONZALEZ, Commissioner 20 BRIAN LOGAN, Commissioner 21 ALIF MUHAMMAD, Commissioner 22 23 24 ANTHONY HOFMANN, C.C.R. 25 LICENSE NO. XIO1854 2 1 PROFESSIONAL STAFF: 2 3 VICTOR CIRILO, Executive Director 4 KATIA OLIVEIRA, Executive Assistant 5 ELIO MENA, Counsel 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 I N D E X 2 PAGE 3 Opening Statement 4 4 Public Participation 5 By: Kim Barnes 5 6 By: Anna Bell 11 7 By: Myrna Brown 12 8 By: Dr. Ronald Slaughter 14 9 By: Felicia Alston-Singleton 19 10 11 Items for Approval 23 12 13 RESOLUTIONS PAGE 14 H-1 through H-6 25 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: It is now 2 5:00 o'clock. This meeting is now called to order. 3 Mr. Chairman, can I get a reading of 4 the Open Public Meetings Act. 5 MR. CIRILO: Yes, sir, a reading of 6 the Public Meetings Act. As required by N.J.S.A. 7 10:4-6 known as the Open Public Meetings Act, notice 8 of this meeting was provided in the following 9 manner. On December 30, 2020 notice of the meeting 10 specifying the date, time and location was 11 transmitted to the Star Ledger, El Nuevo Coqui and 12 to the Clerk of the City of Newark. 13 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can I get a roll 14 call. 15 MR. CIRILO: Roll call. 16 Commissioner Logan. 17 Commissioner Baez. 18 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Here. 19 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Commissioner Costa. 20 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Here. 21 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 22 Commissioner Muhammad. 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Here. 24 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 25 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Here. 5 1 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, we have a 2 quorum. 3 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: We are now going to 4 move to the public speakers. 5 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, the first 6 speaker on our agenda today is Ms. Kim Barnes, 147 7 Riverside Court. 8 Ms. Barnes. 9 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Commissioner 10 Logan is present for the record. 11 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Commissioner, I 12 heard you. 13 MS. BARNES: Good evening, everyone. 14 Kim Barnes, 147 Riverside Court. First and 15 foremost, I would like to thank Director Thomas, 16 Director Rouse, Renee Selphi, Carter Mangan. We had 17 conducted a meeting last week and my thing is that 18 we don't always have to come together on things to 19 complain. My motto is that we have to be part -- 20 don't be part of the problem, be part of the 21 solution. So as we presented to them last week that 22 we wanted to have a social service since our social 23 worker here can't get to all the sites so we had 24 gone to a partnership with Ms. Viola Thomas and, 25 like I said, we had a meeting with the top people 6 1 and they were on board for it. What we want to do 2 is bring social service like for their babies bring 3 Pampers, all the resources that they need to get 4 into what we call a quality of life for our 5 residents which is not only going to extend for 6 Riverside Villa, we are going to do this around the 7 sites as well as North Point, Stephen Crane, we are 8 going to offer those services too. Services are 9 free of charge. So this is why we want to bring her 10 in and then, like I said before, instead of being 11 part of the problem, we want to be part of the 12 solution. 13 Now, the second thing on the agenda 14 for me is the RAD. The RAD residents at Riverside 15 Villa need an update. We haven't got an update on 16 what is going on. We were supposed to have a second 17 meeting and we never had that second meeting to tell 18 us what is the next phase is and as far as moving up 19 we need to know because January is coming. They 20 keep saying January so we need to know what is going 21 on. My residents is asking me what is going on. 22 Now, back to the infestation of the 23 mice. That one row that they did we are seeing less 24 and less of them, but the whole complex needs to be 25 done. 7 1 Now, the other thing that I want to 2 mention also is that I asked are we a part of NAHRO. 3 I didn't like the response that I got to that just a 4 little while ago reading over it. It is as an 5 agency are y'all a part of that. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Say that 7 again. 8 MS. BARNES: NAHRO. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: This right 10 here. 11 MS. BARNES: Yeah, because when I come 12 to you, I do my research. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You used to be 14 the president of that. 15 MS. BARNES: There is something -- I 16 have to go back to Section 8 in that handbook after 17 three years, they supposed to become permanent, yes, 18 read your hand guide, yes. If they work for this 19 agency for three years they are supposed to become 20 permanent. This is why I fight so hard for the 21 Section 3 workers because they were promised that 22 they were going to become permanent and it is also 23 in your guidelines per HUD. 24 Now, my thing also is that we didn't 25 have a senior gala this year. We know that it is 8 1 not that much money in the budget, but the residents 2 was talking, but the management is having a -- no 3 TA. TA we feel as though we are under the umbrella 4 too. Y'all party with us at the senior gala so why 5 can't we party with y'all at Gala, seriously and it 6 was stated that the managers don't want to party 7 with their residents, but they come to the senior 8 gala. Yes, they do as an escort. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: They want to 10 party with you. I want to party with you. 11 MS. BARNES: Anyway back to other 12 points and my thing going forward in the new year, 13 we are going to bring some points to you guys 14 according to that HUD guidelines under Commissioners 15 because we need to get into those things too. We 16 need to know exactly what y'all doing, how y'all 17 doing. I was also told that Commissioners, we are 18 not to get engaged with the Commissioners, but 19 that's not true either because I researched that 20 too. Commissioners are supposed to engage with the 21 community, with the residents. So my thing is I had 22 invited all the Commissioners to meet my residents a 23 couple years back. Certain ones came. I understand 24 that y'all have schedules, but we need to put faces 25 to these residents. Oh, you said Commissioner 9 1 Muhammad. Who is he, what he look like. So my 2 thing is as going forward from this date and leaving 3 y'all with this. At the end of the year we coming 4 back much stronger with y'all because we are not 5 just going to sit there and allow you to tell us any 6 old thing. Y'all going to have the answers and the 7 answers have to be correct because I am researching 8 too because I am not coming to make a butt out of 9 me, I will want to make it out of y'all. 10 Good night. 11 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Ms. Barnes, 12 who is Viola. 13 MS. BARNES: Viola Thomas is the CEO 14 of Central Ward Women's Shelter that I am a part of, 15 the director and that is why I want to partnership 16 with her. As of 2018 she has come down to 17 Riverside. She has provided gift cards. She has 18 provided workshops for our residents. So now we 19 want to take it a little bit, expand it. 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will ask my 21 question today is about RAD. I never heard of that 22 Section 3, that is why I was looking at the E.D. 23 because he knows that book frontwards and backwards. 24 MS. BARNES: Read it. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I didn't know 10 1 they become permanent. They don't mean communicate 2 with us, they mean like don't come to us like if you 3 want somebody fired. If you want Pastor Rouse -- 4 let me explain. Say you want Pastor Rouse fired, 5 the Commissioners don't have the power to do it, 6 only the E.D. can do it. What they want to do, what 7 they are trying to do is create a protocol like, for 8 instance, you go to Pastor Rouse and you go to the 9 E.D. then come to us and stuff, but we are involved. 10 We are involved and if you -- matter of fact, I got 11 two family members living down there now. Invite me 12 down and stuff. I like coming down there. You know 13 I like coming down there. I know about half the 14 people don't there so invite me, but that is what 15 they mean. Don't come to us like if you want to get 16 somebody fired or with the day-to-day situation, 17 they want you to go -- 18 MS. BARNES: Daily operations. That 19 is not what I am saying. If there is an issue and 20 concern that we cannot get with Pastor, that is why 21 you have the Board of Commissioners. This is why we 22 come before you. 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: That is why we 24 are going to give you the Chairman's home number. 25 I'm just joking. 11 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Any other speakers? 2 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Mr. Chairman. 3 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Mr. Baez. 4 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I just want to say 5 to Ms. Barnes we need to keep it going to our 6 residents and make sure that we have communication 7 with them for the fact that they are the ones, they 8 are at the houses and I believe we should. 2022 9 coming so I believe in the residents and I believe 10 that we need to go around and knock on the door and 11 see how they are doing. Especially, thank you, Ms. 12 Barnes, for that. I believe in that, thank you. 13 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next speaker. 14 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Mr. Chairman, the 15 next speaker is Anna Bell, 839 Frelinghuysen Avenue. 16 MS. BELL: Hello. 17 MR. CIRILO: We can hear you, 18 Ms. Bell. 19 MS. BELL: I just want to know what 20 did y'all come up with from last month meeting. 21 MR. CIRILO: Sure, I can answer that 22 because it's a matter of importance. Just let her 23 know that I can have a personal conversation with 24 her, let her know what we found out. We had an 25 investigation on what she explained and I will be 12 1 reaching out to her in the next twenty-four hours. 2 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Did you hear that, 3 Ms. Bell? 4 MS. BELL: Yeah, I heard him, thank 5 you. Have a good holiday. 6 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Happy holiday. 7 Next speaker. 8 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, the next 9 speaker is Myrna Brown. 10 MS. BROWN: Good evening, everyone. I 11 have three questions. I ain't going to be too long. 12 The first question is how many department directors 13 have their own vehicle that the agency bought and 14 when they leave this agency, do these vehicles stay 15 with the Housing Authority or do the person take 16 their vehicles. 17 Second question is where is the money 18 for this agency coming from and who is the money 19 for? 20 My third question is what is being 21 built on NJ 2-30 or AMP 46 and who are they partners 22 with? 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Who? 24 MS. BROWN: NJ 2-30, AMP 46, whichever 25 way you got it, Bergen Street Village. 13 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: The one they 2 tour down. 3 MR. CIRILO: We can give her a letter 4 with that answer. 5 MS. BROWN: I got it tonight, but my 6 question is still there. The next one is I am going 7 to give you all a gift of knowledge, some resource 8 about Board members that I have about the Board 9 members that came from the HUD agency. That is 10 going to be for tonight. I ain't going to bother 11 you no more. Here you go, Mr. Cirilo, I did my 12 research always. Here you go, Mr. Osborne. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: What is this 14 again? 15 MS. BROWN: Resource about Board 16 meetings from HUD. The other Commissioners are not 17 here. 18 MR. CIRILO: You can give it to me and 19 I'll share that with them. 20 MS. BROWN: Thank you. That is a gift 21 from me to you and I will see you in January. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I think he can 23 answer about the cars, that's easy. They are with 24 the Housing Authority and they stay with the Housing 25 Authority. That is an easy question. 14 1 MS. BROWN: I'll see you in January 2 because I have some more. 3 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Okay. 4 MR. CIRILO: Thank you. 5 MS. BROWN: What is your position? 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Where, here? 7 MS. BROWN: Yes. 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Not the 9 smartest guy around. 10 MS. BROWN: Mr. Osborne, please run 11 the meeting like you are supposed to. When he's 12 absent, then you take over, Mr. Muhammad, please. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Okay, you got 14 it. 15 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next speaker. 16 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, the next 17 speaker is Dr. Ronald Slaughter. He is online. 18 Pastor. 19 DR. SLAUGHTER: All right, can you all 20 hear me? 21 MR. CIRILO: We can hear you. 22 DR. SLAUGHTER: Executive Director, to 23 the Chairman and all the Commissioners, good evening 24 tonight and happy holidays to each and every one of 25 you. I'm here on a different mission tonight and 15 1 every now and then you must find and carve out your 2 path where you think your advocacy would be greater 3 used and at this particular time I think my advocacy 4 is greater used in support of the tenants and 5 becoming an advocate for the tenants. I want to 6 know where are we from last month with the gentleman 7 that complained about mold in the building. Have we 8 begun mitigating that. Where are we with the 9 repairs in many of our buildings that are owned by 10 Newark Housing Authority that the repairs were 11 brought up to par. We, of course, could have more 12 tenants occupying that space. I hear the concern 13 and I hear also that new buildings are needed. I 14 think it is a great injustice to invest money in new 15 buildings when we cannot deal to capacity the 16 current buildings that we own. I want to know where 17 are we on filling the vacancies, I mean people 18 without addresses is at an all time high in the City 19 of Newark and we need to be expeditiously moving to 20 house these individuals. 21 Then I guess the fourth layer of 22 questions for me is concerning the need for outside 23 counsel for everything. Why do we have a counsel 24 inside and we got to keep going outside spending 25 unnecessary money with these firms. I have nothing 16 1 against them, but spending money on these firms and 2 wasting precious valuable resources on these outside 3 attorneys and IG investigations and all of this 4 stuff which is really a waste of taxpayers' money. 5 I want to know where the Commissioners 6 are and the E.D. on these particular matters. This 7 is going to become something you all got to get used 8 to like the County did at one particular time and 9 Kean University. I start spending a whole lot of 10 time here at the Housing Authority and making sure 11 that we are doing what's right for the people of 12 Newark and people that are members of my church that 13 are living in certain conditions and as their pastor 14 I am advocating for everything else I need to be 15 advocating on their behalf. 16 So those are my concerns and, 17 Chairman, I wish you could help me get some answers 18 along with the E.D. concerning these matters. In 19 the future I'm going to be making trips to these 20 properties and I'm going to be sitting down with 21 these persons, these tenants and every now and then 22 people need a voice and so I got a pretty good 23 trumpet and pretty good platform to use and so I am 24 going to use it to help people and so hopefully we 25 can get some answers in the very near future so this 17 1 is it. One more, forty seconds left and so I yield 2 the rest of my time in hope for some answers. I 3 know Commissioner Muhammad always got an answer so 4 hopefully we has an answer for me tonight on this. 5 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Thank you, Pastor. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Hey, Pastor, 7 how are you man? 8 DR. SLAUGHTER: I can barely hear you. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Okay, how you 10 doing? Good to hear your voice. 11 DR. SLAUGHTER: Good, Brother, how are 12 you? 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Good. And I 14 like that you are going to be a part of this. We 15 need all the help we can. We have a young man here 16 named Khalif Thomas, you are probably familiar with 17 Khalif Thomas. Are you familiar with Khalif Thomas? 18 He used to be the public works director for us. 19 DR. SLAUGHTER: That is a good 20 brother. 21 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: He just got 22 here about two or three months ago and he's on it. 23 There is going to be some questions tonight, but 24 he's on it. He's going to really help us change a 25 lot of things. He's head of central maintenance. 18 1 DR. SLAUGHTER: That's good. I don't 2 trust a whole lot of people, but I trust Khalif. 3 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I do too and 4 may you have a blessed holiday. 5 DR. SLAUGHTER: You do the same, 6 Brother, you do the same. 7 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Director, do you 8 want to respond? 9 MR. CIRILO: I have nothing to 10 respond. My responses will be in writing. 11 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Any other 12 Commissioners have anything you want to say? 13 Move on to the next speaker. 14 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Mr. Chairman. 15 DR. SLAUGHTER: Thank you. 16 MR. CIRILO: You're welcome, thank 17 you. Happy holidays. 18 DR. SLAUGHTER: Same to you. 19 MR. CIRILO: Thank you very much, 20 Pastor. 21 The next speaker is Felicia 22 Alston-Singleton. I think she's on the line, 23 Felicia. Okay, Felicia. 24 DR. SLAUGHTER: She put in the chat 25 that she's here. 19 1 MS. SINGLETON: Hello. 2 MR. CIRILO: Hello, we can hear you. 3 MS. SINGLETON: Thank you. Good 4 evening, Commissioners. I am coming before you 5 because I have some real concerns and issues that 6 was addressed last Board of Commissioners meeting by 7 Commissioner Alif Muhammad. I would first like to 8 say I don't need anyone to represent or say what I 9 said, okay. When he came to Saint James Church and 10 I know Pastor Slaughter is on and went before me. 11 Pastor Slaughter can attest that if he sees his 12 Facebook live that I am a very well participant in 13 his every morning worship service. I said and I'll 14 say it again that please give Saint James the 15 parking lot, but not for a dollar. You complain 16 about rent being paid, you complain about how we 17 don't have money. How selling it for a dollar and 18 then it was stated that they wanted the property 19 because they have maintained it for years and years 20 and years, but my feeling on that was it was being 21 used and at the end of the day why wouldn't we -- 22 why wouldn't you give the residents an opportunity 23 to buy their units for a dollar if that was the case 24 and I said my unit. 25 I don't like confusion and I don't 20 1 like drama. I bring the noise. I can handle mine. 2 The only reason Alif Muhammad is mad because that 3 2.4 million dollar contract that he tried to take 4 from the Shauger Group did not pass and he filed a 5 lawsuit against the NHA and Commissioners. Messy, 6 sloppy and it is not unjust of a commissioner. 7 Don't bring your name, bring your game. He is not 8 for the residents and I am going to ask him tonight 9 to resign and if he does not resign, then I am going 10 to question the Board and ask them to have him 11 removed, okay. 12 Also, Director Cirilo, it was brought 13 to our attention that there are employees at the 14 Housing Authority that are not being heard with 15 their concerns and I'm going to ask you and some of 16 the Commissioners to address the employees. Not 17 only does the residents have to be right, the people 18 that take care of the Housing Authority and the 19 maintenance people need to be right. It should be 20 brought to anyone outside of this Board. It says in 21 the bylaws they cannot bring it to the Board and 22 they cannot bring it to this meeting and I think 23 that is very unfair that their concerns are not 24 being heard and not going above their supervisor's 25 concern. No resident would like our concerns to 21 1 stop at the asset manager. Like if we are going to 2 do things, we have to do it all around and all 3 across the board for everyone, not just the 4 residents because we have unhappy employees then 5 this is when we the residents get lash back. 6 I need to address that, but going back 7 to my major concern that I come tonight. Let me 8 clearly state that I think Saint James is duly 9 deserving the parking lot, but just not for a dollar 10 or are we giving away property for a dollar like on 11 the website that I currently seen and if you are 12 going to give it away for a dollar, you are going to 13 explain to me why all those other peoples' property 14 weren't given away for a dollar like over there by 15 Walgreen's and that school over there that you sold, 16 four bedroom townhouse for a dollar. Don't tell me 17 and just to be clear I did call Commissioner 18 Muhammad and he was arguing, called me a dummy, a 19 punk and I called him a few words too, but of course 20 things was live. He called me a dummy and he also 21 said he was an FBI informant. Watch your back, 22 Commissioners, watch your back, Mr. Cirilo. I don't 23 come to start trouble nor do I bring it, but I will 24 address it, I will address it. I don't scare on 25 nonsense and I don't scare on a lie nor will a stand 22 1 with the lie, but you will not lie on me. Keep my 2 name out your mouth. That is not how we operate. 3 That is not the conduct of the Commissioners and it 4 should not be tolerated. Again, Commissioners, I 5 ask that if he does not resign tonight for his 6 conduct and I can send you all the contacts that he 7 should be removed from the Board. 8 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Thank you, 9 Commissioner. 10 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Are you done? 11 MS. SINGLETON: Thank you, 12 Commissioner Baez. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman. I 14 refuse to resign. 15 MS. SINGLETON: I can't hear. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I refuse to 17 resign. Secondly, it is not a back and forth. Wait 18 a minute. We are going to do this the right way. 19 We are not -- block her. Block her. E.D., block 20 her. 21 MS. SINGLETON: Please listen and do I 22 want -- 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Block her. I 24 am not going back and forth with her. 25 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Ms. Singleton, give 23 1 the floor to the Commissioner. 2 MS. SINGLETON: Yes, I do. 3 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Thank you. As 4 far as Ms. Singleton said she was going to write a 5 two-page paper to me to the FBI and I told her if 6 you had been watching the meetings that I have been 7 working with the Federal authorities and to give the 8 two pages to me and I can hand deliver instead of 9 her stamp. I have other things about that she said, 10 E.D., you know we can't talk about publicly so that 11 is that, but I'm not resigning, sorry. 12 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Let's move on to 13 the next speaker then. 14 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, the next 15 speaker on the agenda is Colleen Fields. Colleen 16 Fields. Colleen Fields. 17 That concludes the list if Ms. Fields 18 doesn't come in at a later point. 19 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: At this point we 20 will now go to move to items for approval. 21 First item for approval is the Board 22 activities report. I need a motion and second to 23 approve the Board monthly activities report. 24 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I move it. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will second 24 1 it. 2 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Moved by Baez. 3 Seconded by Muhammad. 4 MR. CIRILO: On the motion to approve 5 the Board monthly activities report. 6 Commissioner Logan. 7 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 8 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 9 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 10 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 11 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 12 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 13 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 14 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 16 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 17 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 18 MR. CIRILO: The motion passes. 19 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Number two, Board 20 transcripts. I need a motion and second to approve 21 the Board transcripts for November 18, 2021. 22 Can I get a mover and second? 23 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I will move, 24 Chairman. 25 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Second. 25 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Costa and Baez. 2 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, on the 3 motion. 4 Commissioner Logan. 5 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 6 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 7 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 8 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 9 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 10 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 11 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 12 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 14 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 15 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 16 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 17 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: I will now move on 18 to resolutions. Any member of the Board may request 19 that any item be removed from the consent agenda and 20 be considered separately. All remaining items will 21 be considered together. 22 We have six resolutions. Can we read 23 them individually. 24 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir 25 please, transparency. 26 1 MR. CIRILO: On the resolutions, 2 resolution number one, resolution authorizing to 3 amend resolution H-21-23-09-14 authorizing a change 4 order and amending the contract with Perdomo of New 5 York for demolition of the former Seth Boyden 6 Terrace adding six hundred sixty-nine thousand six 7 hundred fifty for the tree removal and 1.9 -- one 8 million nine hundred eighty thousand dollars for 9 asbestos abatement for a total amended contract 10 amount not to exceed five million one hundred 11 thousand dollars. 12 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman. 13 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can I get a mover? 14 Mr. Muhammad. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I rode down 16 there. It is looking good. I rode by there last 17 week. I don't know if you got a chance to. Most of 18 the buildings has been gutted and a lot of trees are 19 down. They are doing a really nice job. They are 20 doing a really nice job, but it is amazing that 21 still some of the squatters are living in the 22 building and they took all the windows and so the 23 squatters are still living there, but they are doing 24 a nice job. I just want to say that. 25 I will move it. 27 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: I need a second. 2 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Second. 3 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Muhammad and Baez. 4 MR. CIRILO: On the motion, Mr. 5 Chairman. 6 Commissioner Logan. 7 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 8 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 9 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 10 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 11 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 12 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 13 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 14 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 16 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 17 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 18 MR. CIRILO: Resolution passes. 19 The next resolution reads resolution 20 authorizing a contract with Falak Construction, 21 Incorporated for agency wide plumbing inspections, 22 maintenance and repairs on an as-needed basis. The 23 initial contract term shall be for a period of one 24 year in the amount of one million five hundred 25 thousand dollars per year for an aggregate contract 28 1 amount not to exceed four million five hundred 2 thousand dollars for three years, whichever comes 3 first. 4 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can I get a mover 5 and second? 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will move 7 it. 8 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Moved by Muhammad. 9 Can I get a second? 10 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Second. 11 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, on the 12 motion. 13 Commissioner Logan. 14 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 15 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 16 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 17 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 18 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 19 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 20 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 21 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 23 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 24 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 25 MR. CIRILO: The resolution passes. 29 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next resolution. 2 MR. CIRILO: Resolution to amend 3 resolution H-20-22-10-06 authorizing a change order 4 and amending the contract with BugEx Pest Control 5 for extermination services adding fifty-five 6 thousand dollars per year for replacing of bait 7 stations to abate a severe rodent infestation at the 8 townhouse sites for a total amended contract amount 9 not to exceed three hundred thirty thousand dollars 10 per year. 11 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can I get a mover 12 and second? 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will move 14 it. 15 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Second. 16 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, on the 17 motion. 18 Commissioner Logan. 19 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 20 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 21 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 22 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 23 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 24 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 25 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 30 1 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 2 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 4 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 5 MR. CIRILO: The motion passes. 6 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next resolution. 7 MR. CIRILO: Resolution reads 8 resolution approving the list of professional 9 services providers which responded to RFQ 21-S-018 10 and have been deemed qualified to represent the 11 Newark Housing Authority on an as-needed basis. 12 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can I get a mover 13 and second? 14 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will move it 15 for you. 16 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Moved by Muhammad. 17 Can I get a second? 18 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Second. 19 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Second by Baez. 20 MR. CIRILO: On the resolution, Mr. 21 Chairman. 22 Commissioner Logan. 23 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 24 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 25 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 31 1 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 2 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 4 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Abstain. 5 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 7 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 8 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 9 MR. CIRILO: The motion passes. 10 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next resolution. 11 MR. CIRILO: The resolution reads 12 resolution authorizing a contract with Liberty 13 Elevator Corporation in the amount of eighteen 14 million three hundred sixty-one thousand dollars for 15 the modernization of thirty-eight elevators within 16 five years and in the amount of one million eight 17 hundred thirty-four thousand eight hundred for a 18 five-year maintenance program of forty-four 19 elevators for an aggregate contract amount not to 20 exceed twenty million one hundred ninety-five 21 thousand eight hundred dollars or five years, 22 whichever comes first. 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman, is 24 Alicia here? 25 MR. CIRILO: You want to come up, 32 1 Alicia. 2 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: This is a 3 small question. I heard you say it before. This is 4 a different company than the company we using for, 5 you know. 6 MS. BIASOTTI: Correct. 7 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: So this 8 company is going to -- could you explain a little 9 more what this company is going to do, what the 10 other company didn't do. 11 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: First, state your 12 name for the record. 13 MS. BIASOTTI: Can I take my mask off? 14 Alicia Biasotti. Good evening, Chairman, how are 15 you, Commissioners? 16 So what they are going to do which is 17 different from what the company is doing right now, 18 the company that is on board right now is 19 maintaining the elevators. When something breaks, 20 they will go in, they will give us a quote, they 21 will go in and fix it. What this company is going 22 to do is completely modernize the elevators so 23 everything is going to be new with the exception of 24 the actual cab itself, the interior of it also is 25 going to be new. There is a lot of different 33 1 obstacles as well such as with COVID. We were very 2 concerned about the seniors riding up and down the 3 elevators because the aerosol kind of like stay in 4 the air. So we have incorporated a system that is 5 going to get rid of the virus too. So basically we 6 are modernizing them. We are upgrading them, 7 bringing them up-to-date. The only thing we cannot 8 do with these elevators because we can't make the 9 shaft any bigger is we cannot accommodate enough 10 additional space to have when the ambulance comes 11 with the bed, that is not being accommodated. I 12 mean they are still going to struggle to get in the 13 stretcher, but other than that they are going to be 14 essentially one hundred percent modernized. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I was asking 16 the question as you know I have been in the 17 elevators and there was a couple that was modernized 18 and they didn't look like it and I like what you 19 said and the E.D. said also the aesthetics. When 20 they get done, it looks like it was done you feel 21 like. Thanks a lot, I will move it. 22 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Moved by Muhammad. 23 Can I get a second? 24 I will second. 25 MR. CIRILO: On the motion. 34 1 Commissioner Logan. 2 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 4 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Chairman, with one 5 condition. I am going to vote on that resolution, 6 but I want to make sure the job is being done. No 7 job is being left behind in there. I hope that job 8 is done. My vote is yes. 9 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Thank you. So 10 stated for the record. 11 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 12 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 13 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 14 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 15 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 17 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 18 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 19 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 20 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Next resolution. 21 MR. CIRILO: The next resolution reads 22 resolution authorizing a 1.5 percent wage increase 23 retroactive to January 1st, 2021 for members of 24 Local 617, Workers United SEIU. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Mr. Chairman, 35 1 E.D., that's it, that's the rest of the Unions now, 2 right? 3 MR. CIRILO: Yeah, that's everybody. 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: All right, no 5 problem. I'll move it for you. 6 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Moved by Muhammad. 7 Can I get a second? 8 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Second by Baez. 9 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I will second 10 it. Okay, Baez, you can have it. 11 MR. CIRILO: On the motion, Mr. 12 Chairman. 13 Commissioner Logan. 14 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 15 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 16 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 17 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 18 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 19 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 20 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 21 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 23 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 24 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 25 MR. CIRILO: The motion passes. 36 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman, I 2 have some questions. 3 MR. CIRILO: That concludes the list 4 of resolutions, Mr. Chairman. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I have some 6 questions. 7 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Questions, go 8 ahead. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Who do I 10 direct the question to? 11 MR. CIRILO: You can direct them to 12 me. I also sent you an e-mail responses. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I didn't get 14 anything. 15 MR. CIRILO: They are in front of you. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You just gave 17 them to me? 18 MR. CIRILO: And sent you an e-mail. 19 Last month and this month. Katia, can you show him? 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Oh, that is 21 what you put in front of me? She put it in front of 22 me. I didn't know what it was. 23 MR. CIRILO: The Chairman asked us to 24 follow a different protocol so we are answering your 25 questions via e-mail and -- 37 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am asking my 2 questions verbally. 3 MR. CIRILO: You got to talk to the 4 Chairman. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: When did the 6 Chairman change that, that the questions don't need 7 to be answered? I am not asking the questions for 8 me. I am asking the questions for the public. So 9 what you are trying to do is say I can't ask a 10 question? Only way I can ask a question, I get it 11 and the Chairman didn't change. I didn't see any 12 changes like that. I didn't get any change on that. 13 The questions have to be answered so they can be on 14 the record. This is not a record that you hand me 15 something. I'm a Commissioner here so I need to ask 16 questions. 17 MR. CIRILO: You can direct that to 18 the Chairman, Commissioner, not to me. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I don't have 20 to direct it to the Chairman. He never said it to 21 me. He never said it to me and I talked to the 22 Chairman yesterday and everything. I want to ask 23 questions now. He did say he wanted me to ask you 24 the questions which I have no problem so I am going 25 to ask you the question. 38 1 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, with your 2 guidance, please. 3 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: I know we sent out 4 an e-mail so they responded as far as procedure so I 5 think that is -- let the Commissioner ask his 6 questions. 7 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Thank you, 8 Chairman. 9 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Can you keep it 10 short. 11 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You asked me 12 to back up last month because of all the people so 13 this is basically short because I am only dealing 14 with one person. Chairman, I appreciate you, but 15 these questions need to be asked so the public can 16 hear them. Things about security, about operations 17 and just like the Honorable Reverend Slaughter just 18 asked a question. That is one of my questions. You 19 know, all this in writing, you can't answer me in 20 writing. You are going to answer me verbally. I 21 don't want it in writing because it has to be a 22 record. See, what is going on here is a record, it 23 is a record, a transcript so somebody can't say he 24 said or he said what she said. It is all in 25 writing. So I am not going to let an employee try 39 1 to circumvent me for doing my job which is to ask 2 questions, to ask what is going on in this 3 Authority. Now, I don't have a problem not asking 4 the Director because you were right about that with 5 the jurisdiction. We don't have jurisdiction over 6 employees. Our questions should be asked by the 7 E.D. So I am going to ask him questions and I am 8 not accepting somebody sending me something in 9 writing. I am not one of these people that is 10 coming up and just want to talk. I am a 11 Commissioner here. I am a Commissioner and a 12 vice-president so you have to answer the question 13 and it needs to be on the record. It needs to be on 14 the record because you got Ms. Barnes asked a 15 question, what happened to RAD. That is the first 16 question. You told me that RAD was -- we lost on 17 RAD, that it was turned down. What is going on 18 there? 19 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Why don't we 20 proceed with the questions and ask other 21 Commissioners at some point we can sit down and 22 discuss the protocol. 23 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Mr. Chairman, 24 everybody is in the community so you have a question 25 on the community so if you are not in procurement 40 1 and you are not in public safety, you shouldn't ask 2 that question. They can find out from there because 3 they are in the community, thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: We don't do 5 that. We are responsible. See, what people don't 6 understand and I'm not trying to take on -- we are 7 responsible people, not the E.D., not the workers. 8 The Federal Government, HUD, holds the Commissioners 9 responsible, civilly and criminally. If something 10 goes wrong, hypothetically, if he do something 11 wrong, they don't look at him, they look at us. We 12 are mandated that responsibility. I am not going to 13 committee. I'm a committee of redevelopment. We 14 didn't have a meeting in a year. So what I am 15 saying it doesn't limit it to that. The committee 16 breakdown situation is just trying to get something 17 going and stuff like that to keep things working, 18 but right now I'm the Commissioner of everything 19 that goes on. I'm responsible for it. I'm 20 responsible for it. I'm responsible for it. 21 Now, Ms. Barnes asked a good question, 22 what is going on with the RAD because you told me 23 that RAD was -- we were denied and that we were 24 appealing so can you answer that question? 25 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman. 41 1 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: You want that 2 question answered from me? 3 MR. CIRILO: We have a list of 4 questions. You have new questions? 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I gave you 6 questions four or five days ago. 7 MR. CIRILO: I sent you a response on 8 November 26th to that question. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I didn't look 10 at the response. 11 MR. CIRILO: I can't tell you how to 12 do your job, Commissioner. You sent me questions a 13 month ago. 14 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am asking a 15 question. 16 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I request we 17 adjourn the meeting, Mr. Chairman. 18 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: If you have to ask 19 questions, just ask questions. 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: The question 21 is is RAD denied? 22 MR. CIRILO: I will read my answer to 23 your question that I sent to you November 18 and it 24 is before you as well to that question. I was 25 advised by Executive Director that the RAD 42 1 application was denied, what is the status. 2 Executive Director response. The NHA was able to 3 convince the HUD underwriters to reconsider 4 postponing our review, not cancel, postpone our 5 review. We have now been approved for financing 6 seventy million dollars worth of rehab. 7 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Thank you, 8 appreciate that. Chairman, the good thing that 9 might happen that we were talking about the other 10 day, myself and E.D. and Commissioner Costa. We 11 were in a RAD meeting and the gentleman that is 12 handling it, this bill that the President is trying 13 to pass, the good thing is that there is a lot of 14 money in for public housing and they talk about 15 eighty thousand dollars a unit. So they were joking 16 like wow, you might not need RAD if you get eighty 17 thousand dollars a unit, but I am just saying if you 18 don't go with RAD, that is a good thing if that 19 passed God willing where we can have eighty thousand 20 dollars. I just wanted to say that and put that on 21 the record. 22 Could you explain to me the procedure 23 of Kretchmer new security because it was cut back. 24 MR. CIRILO: I am going to go back to 25 my answer to that question of November 18, 2021. 43 1 The answer reads we currently deployed three 2 security officers daily from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 a.m. 3 In addition, we have been deploying our security 4 command vehicle in the evenings along with special 5 police officers. Officers have been instructed to 6 conduct walking and vertical building patrols at the 7 complex. 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Can I ask you 9 a question? When you say three, you mean three 10 armed guards, not the regular because you have more 11 guards than that. Each building has a guard. You 12 mean additionally? 13 MR. CIRILO: Three armed security 14 officers. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Have we -- my 16 question has been for the longest. Have we came in 17 compliance with the City of Newark ordinance on 18 security where you have to have a hundred -- for 19 every hundred apartments you have to have one person 20 and then for every hundred and fifty apartments you 21 have to have a security person. Are we in 22 compliance with that? 23 MR. CIRILO: Yeah, I believe that 24 question was answered about two months ago, three 25 months ago. 44 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: He said no, we 2 weren't in compliance. 3 MR. CIRILO: Okay, so that is the 4 answer. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: What I want to 6 explain to you is that in this book that Ms. Barnes 7 was talking about it says the Commissioner mandate 8 is to comply with all applicable federal and local 9 requirements as the development and manage housing. 10 So, in other words, we can't just take the City 11 Ordinance and say the hell with it because in that 12 case Collin Agency can say the hell with it. 13 Academy Spires can say the hell with it. We are the 14 largest landlord in the City. Now, being that 15 evidently as the E.D. you are not paying no 16 attention to this. 17 MR. CIRILO: I disagree with that, 18 sir. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am going to 20 write a letter. 21 MR. CIRILO: I disagree with that. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: No, problem. 23 It is noted. I am going to write a letter to the 24 Mayor, to the City Council and also the code 25 enforcement to say that we are not, the Housing 45 1 Authority -- 2 MR. CIRILO: You can do whatever 3 you -- 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Please let me 5 finish. I am just telling you -- 6 MR. CIRILO: Sir, Mr. Chairman, let me 7 tell you -- 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Why are you 9 cutting me off, sir. 10 MR. CIRILO: Let the City know that we 11 are not complying. 12 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Why are you 13 cutting me off? 14 MR. CIRILO: I am talking to the 15 Chairman. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You can't just 17 stop me in the middle of me talking. You are 18 disrespectful. 19 MR. CIRILO: No, because you're 20 leading to a decision that we have to take a look at 21 whether or not we are compliant because we are 22 spending ten million dollars people, ten million 23 dollars, right. If you take that amount of money 24 and you enumerate how many guards are required to 25 do, we are compliant based on the amount of 46 1 financial expenditures that are going on, we are 2 compliant. Right, if you want to start getting into 3 semantics then we are -- 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am not 5 getting into semantics, Mr. E.D. 6 MR. CIRILO: Sometimes we have to move 7 guards from one site to another site because there 8 is an eminent threat, right, it doesn't mean that 9 the guards aren't being deployed to meet the 10 requirement or the regulation, it just means that 11 something has to move, but then we move them back. 12 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: So he's -- 13 MR. CIRILO: What Captain Broner 14 expressed -- 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You just cut 16 me off. 17 MR. CIRILO: What Captain Broner 18 expressed was that, you know what, sometimes we 19 don't have the amount of guards in one site, but it 20 doesn't mean that they are not going to come back 21 and be deployed in that area to meet the 22 requirements. Sometimes we have to move people 23 around because of the need. Sometimes we have 24 shootings in a certain neighborhood so we need to 25 move folks around, right, so if you want to have a 47 1 security meeting and go over this. We can't just 2 make a determination and say Housing Authority ten 3 million dollars in security and you are going to say 4 we are not compliant. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Can I finish? 6 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, I am 7 talking to you. 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Can I finish? 9 MR. CIRILO: What I would recommend is 10 that, you know what, before we make any decisions 11 right -- 12 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Hold on one second. 13 MR. CIRILO: You ask that we sit down 14 with the public safety committee. We scrutinize 15 those numbers and figure out whether or not we are 16 meeting that requirement based on the expenditures. 17 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman, I 18 was trying to talk. That is what I am going to do. 19 The guy cuts me off and then we just finish what I 20 am going to say. It is so easy. 21 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I request we sit 22 down and have a meeting. 23 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: This Q and A is 24 getting out of hand. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Like I said, 48 1 Chairman, I am going to write a letter to the Mayor 2 and code enforcers to say -- 3 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Let's move on. 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Next question, 5 central maintenance. Oh, not central. Director, 6 the security system that we bought for six hundred 7 ten thousand that was emergency back in January and 8 February, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It 9 never worked. When they bought it -- when you guys 10 brought it to us, it was a threat, oh, we need it, 11 we need it, we need it. I don't know if you know 12 about it, Chairman. The only thing that works if 13 you slide the card, it works half the time, the 14 pictures come up. The other times as far as the 15 residents and everything like if you coming as a 16 guest, that don't work at all. So it is a system 17 that we paid six hundred ten thousand dollars. What 18 are we going to do about that to get that fixed 19 because it is not fixed? 20 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Finish with the 21 questions. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Can you answer 23 that? 24 MR. CIRILO: I answered on 25 November 18. 49 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am asking 2 you it now, sir. 3 MR. CIRILO: Sir, I responded to your 4 question on November 18. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I want an 6 answer now. Put it on the record. What is the 7 deal, we paid six hundred ten thousand dollars. 8 MR. CIRILO: On November 18, 2021 I 9 responded to your question as follows. James C. 10 White, door software, working. EasyLobby software 11 working. 12 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: That is not 13 true. 14 MR. CIRILO: Sir, are you going to 15 allow me to give a report. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Thank you, 17 yes, I am. 18 MR. CIRILO: I appreciate that, thank 19 you. 20 Baxter elderly, door software working. 21 EasyLobby software working. Stephen Crane 2-16, 22 door software working. EasyLobby software working. 23 Stephen Crane elderly 2-22C, door software working. 24 EasyLobby soft wear working. Stephen Crane elderly, 25 2-22D, door software working. EasyLobby software 50 1 working. Kretchmer elderly, not done, license 2 bought. Kretchmer elderly 2-21A, not done, license 3 bought. Seth Boyden elderly 2-21E, door software 4 working. EasyLobby software working. Seth Boyden 5 elderly 2-21F, door software working. EasyLobby 6 software working. Tenant cards, partial cards have 7 been released to the tenants at all sites except for 8 James C. White. I do not know if there's been an 9 update on that since November. 10 MR. ROUSE: No. 11 MR. CIRILO: But the only remaining 12 component is the cards that need to be released. 13 They've only been released partially and that is 14 because of COVID concerns. Hopefully, we can get 15 this done. 16 MR. ROUSE: Yes. 17 MR. CIRILO: Okay, that's the answer. 18 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: None of them 19 are working. Pastor Rouse, you know you was with me 20 there at a couple sites. I went to every one of 21 those sites. They are not working. The visitor 22 part where the person come in and they take their 23 name, it is not working, it is not working. 24 MR. ROUSE: There is a difference 25 between working and activating. 51 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: They don't 2 want me to address you so I am just saying. 3 MR. ROUSE: It is on public record too 4 so it is working, but it is not activated. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: It is not 6 what? 7 MR. ROUSE: Activated. It is working. 8 It wasn't activated when you went there, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Snow removal, 10 what's the new rule on snow removal. 11 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, I will 12 yield the floor to our director of operations. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Wait a minute, 14 you told me I can't talk to these people. 15 MR. CIRILO: You can't, I can. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I have to deal 17 with him. 18 MR. CIRILO: I didn't say that, he 19 said that. 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: That is why I 21 am respecting it. 22 MR. CIRILO: You have to ask that 23 question to him. 24 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You can't 25 answer that question. You know anything about the 52 1 snow removal. Can you tell us what's the plan for 2 snow removal for -- 3 MR. CIRILO: Mr. Chairman, I would 4 like to yield a few minutes of my time to respond to 5 the former question so that director of operations 6 can give you an update on that question regarding 7 the card system. 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Mr. Chairman, 9 that is fine with me. I was just trying to listen 10 to your rules. Your rules you said you want me to 11 direct it to him. If they want to talk, I have no 12 problem with that. 13 MR. CIRILO: Robert's Rules of Order. 14 I have to yield. I am yielding my time. I am 15 yielding my time. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I have no 17 problem with that. 18 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Let me ask the 19 Commissioner right now. This is becoming more like 20 a workshop than meeting so. 21 MR. CIRILO: That is his rules. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Why you keep 23 saying his rules. 24 MR. CIRILO: He is the Chairman, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: He didn't make 53 1 those rules. 2 MR. CIRILO: He does. He is the 3 Chairman of the Board. His job is to follow 4 Robert's Rules of Order and run the -- 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: He did not 6 make those rules. 7 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Everyone waiting in 8 proper time. I am going to ask that we adjourn this 9 meeting. Can I get a second? 10 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: I second the 11 adjournment. Are we doing a roll call? 12 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Thank you. 13 MR. CIRILO: Yes, on the motion to 14 adjourn, Mr. Chairman -- 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman. 16 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 17 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: One minute, 19 sir. 20 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 21 Commissioner Costa. Commissioner Baez. 22 Mr. Chairman, on the motion, 23 Commissioner Baez. 24 Commissioner Costa. 25 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 54 1 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 2 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Muhammad. 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 5 MR. CIRILO: Chairman Osborne. 6 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Yes. 7 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 8 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Motion to adjourn. 9 COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ: Good night. 10 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Before we hang-up, 11 we are going to give the Commissioner a chance to 12 express himself very shortly on what happened 13 tonight. 14 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Chairman, I 15 have no problem with following your leadership. 16 That is all. I have no problem, but I am not going 17 to be sandbagged out of nowhere when we can't answer 18 no questions where we should answer the questions in 19 front of the people. I know you want to deal with 20 it later, but I am telling you I have no problem of 21 respecting. This is not a disrespect to your 22 authority because somebody can't say here's your 23 questions and you just read them. He don't run the 24 show, the Commissioners run the show. 25 CHAIRMAN OSBORNE: Do any other 55 1 Commissioners have anything else to say? 2 MR. CIRILO: We want to wish everyone 3 happy holidays, Mr. Chairman. 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