1 1 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 2 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 3 THURSDAY, APRIL 28, 2022 4 x--------------------------------x 5 IN THE MATTER OF: * 6 THE REGULAR MEETING * TRANSCRIPT 7 OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY * OF 8 OF THE CITY OF NEWARK * PROCEEDINGS 9 Commencing at 5:00 p.m. * 10 x--------------------------------x 11 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 12 500 BROAD STREET 13 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 14 B E F O R E: 15 HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF NEWARK 16 NORMA GONZALEZ, President 17 EDDIE OSBORNE, Commissioner (Absent) 18 MARTINIQUE COSTA, Commissioner 19 FAUSTO BAEZ, Commissioner 20 BRIAN LOGAN, Commissioner 21 ALIF MUHAMMAD, Commissioner 22 23 24 ANTHONY HOFMANN, C.C.R. 25 LICENSE NO. XIO1854 2 1 PROFESSIONAL STAFF: 2 3 VICTOR CIRILO, Executive Director 4 KATIA OLIVEIRA, Executive Assistant 5 ELIO MENA, Counsel 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 I N D E X 2 PAGE 3 Opening Statement 4 4 Public Participation 5 By: Myrna Brown 5 6 By: Kim Barnes 11 7 By: Felicia Alston-Singleton 13 8 By: Jacqueline Peoples 19 9 By: Dellon Garraway 21 10 11 Items for Approval 26 12 13 RESOLUTIONS PAGE 14 H-1 through H-5 34 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Good evening, 2 everyone. I want to -- today's April 28. It's 3 5:11 p.m. and I would like to call the Housing 4 Authority City of Newark Board meeting Board of 5 Commissioners meeting. I'm calling order now. 6 I would like to have Director Cirilo 7 read the Open Public Meetings Act. 8 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Madam Chair. As 9 required by N.J.S.A. 10:4-6 known as the Open Public 10 Meetings Act, notice of this meeting was provided in 11 the following manner. On December 3, 2021 notice of 12 this meeting specifying the date, time and location 13 was transmitted to the Star Ledger, El Nuevo Coqui 14 and to the Clerk of the City of Newark. 15 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 16 Could we please have a roll call. 17 MR. CIRILO: Yes. 18 Commissioner Muhammad. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Here. 20 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Osborne. 21 Commissioner Costa. 22 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Here. 23 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 24 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Here. 25 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 5 1 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 2 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Gonzalez. 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Present. 4 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, we have a 5 quorum. 6 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. I 7 would like to now call the public speakers. The 8 first speaker will be Myrna Brown. 9 MS. BROWN: Good evening, everyone. 10 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Good evening, Ms. 11 Brown. 12 MS. BROWN: First off, I'd like to say 13 I come up here a lot and I say we all should respect 14 each other, tenants, workers and what I am coming 15 today to say also is that this agency, your staff 16 along with the residents, we should respect each 17 other. When we do business with y'all, it should be 18 respectful. If we come telling you something, it 19 should be respectful. It shouldn't go to other 20 places and nobody comes back to nobody. Shouldn't 21 have attitudes and it is still going on. There are 22 several, several from top to bottom and I just think 23 it's just wrong. It's just wrong to be 24 disrespectful to anybody and we need to recognize if 25 you have a Board or if this person advertising for 6 1 those tenant associations or whatever, they should 2 be respected and give y'all respect. That's me and 3 I give everybody the utmost respect that I can. If 4 you disrespect me, I will disrespect you and I think 5 that needs to continue on and do because it's not 6 being done. 7 Yes, I advocate and I am going to keep 8 saying it for public housing and Section 8 people 9 that's in my heart and I do that and when people 10 call me or tell me something that is going on, I'm 11 going to react. I'm going to help them to the best 12 of my ability and I will contact y'all to let you 13 know and help that person out. So those that don't 14 like the way I do things or that's what I do, it's 15 too bad because I'm going to continue coming whether 16 it's the good part or the bad part. 17 I'd also like to know who makes the 18 utility allowance for the Section 8 department 19 because I'm very knowledgeable. I know how they do 20 the public side and I know that it is calculated. 21 Section 8, we are the low of the low in this agency. 22 Section 8 is not a high standard. I don't know why 23 they think people Section 8 is the top part of your 24 agency. If you read it, we are the low person. We 25 are low, we are the low people that y'all support 7 1 and pay rent to and then we have to look for our own 2 property, our own places, but those are issues. 3 It's not that easy. Those people that y'all have 4 stuck here, they have different rules and 5 regulations and easy to get to y'all and you get 6 different stuff, I understand that too, but Section 7 8 is enough is enough and I deal with Mr. Knight. 8 I'm not disrespecting him. I'm not saying we don't 9 communicate. We do the best, he answer all we can, 10 but it still needs to be more. It still needs to be 11 more. Section 8 is low and people don't understand 12 that. We find places that some people has to take 13 because they can. They don't want to lose their 14 voucher so I am figuring another way to help those 15 people outside because only so much Section 8 in 16 housing authority do for them, but there is other 17 rights and rules that they need to know how to 18 handle their business out there dealing with these 19 things and y'all say that is not y'all part. We are 20 going to figure a part for these people. I will and 21 I will research and find how their rights is 22 supposed to be done through this agency that you are 23 giving landlords money and these landlords going to 24 have to respect these people because they are doing 25 things that is not right. That was one of my 8 1 questions with that. 2 I really would like to know about that 3 utility. How y'all -- I know it comes through 4 finance with the public side and you have a cap lock 5 for each site, each three bedrooms, this bedroom, 6 that bedroom. We are paying utilities just like 7 they are paying utilities in these townhouses so why 8 we have to get a little amount to be our deductible 9 and they get a hundred and thirty-five dollars for 10 one site. One site may get a hundred fourteen for 11 three bedrooms. We ain't even getting a hundred. 12 So we really struggling out there being Section 8 13 people. 14 I don't know if y'all aware of how 15 Section 8 go, but it ain't all nice like it could be 16 and then you are going into RAD. You are going into 17 another voucher holder so those are my concerns 18 right now. I am looking at some other stuff. The 19 other one is that when we come up here, why isn't 20 our questions added in that document over there. 21 When I look on y'all transcript, y'all don't have no 22 speakers spoke on those Commissioners meetings. No 23 answers or no questions that we ask, it is not in 24 your transcripts. Are these legal documents? This 25 is public information and they are not on there and 9 1 I'm like why we are not included. Several times for 2 months I looked at the transcript online. I don't 3 see nobody guest speaker, our names, mine, Kim's, 4 whoever else they may be or the questions we ask. 5 So I just want to know why that wasn't in there. It 6 should be put in there if it is public information. 7 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: One second. 8 Thank you, Ms. Brown. 9 Yes, Commissioner Muhammad. 10 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I want to say 11 something. I don't understand the utilities. I 12 know in public housing it is included in the rent, 13 but when we give a person a voucher, we also give 14 them a utility credit. Could somebody explain that 15 to me? Is there a way to explain that real quick. 16 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: The E.D. said 17 he can answer that. 18 MR. CIRILO: So, Commissioner, similar 19 to the public housing program, when a family 20 receives a voucher and the landlord calls for the 21 renter, the participant of the Section 8 program to 22 pay for utilities, then they receive a credit 23 against the rent meaning that their rent payment is 24 decreased by the amount, a certain amount of utility 25 allowance that is extended because they have to 10 1 cover the electricity, water, whatever it may be. 2 It's not a dollar. Dollar is actually an amount 3 that is averaged based on the local markets. So per 4 bedroom size. I know that oftentimes housing 5 authorities utilize the New Jersey Department of 6 Community Affairs table because they do a good job 7 in maintaining those studies throughout the state on 8 a per jurisdiction basis. I have to check and get 9 back to you as to, you know, when was the last time 10 we upgraded those utilities. I think the speaker 11 makes a great point that utilities are going up and 12 we have to make sure that the participants are 13 receiving the proper amount of credit or allowance 14 against their rent. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: So, in other 16 words, it is not an additional check, it is in the 17 voucher. 18 MR. CIRILO: That's correct. You know 19 what, you bring an excellent point and that is that 20 if a family has no income, for example, we have a 21 minimum rent of fifty dollars and sometimes because 22 of the allowance we actually end up giving back the 23 money to the client instead of them paying rent, 24 they actually get a refund check because of the 25 utility allowance showing a negative. 11 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Okay, that is 2 excellent information and I am with her about the 3 questions and the questions/answers should be part 4 of the record. It should be part of the official 5 record. I think we talked about that before. Even 6 when they answer, you know, when the E.D. answer, I 7 think it should go into the part of the transcript. 8 Thank you. 9 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, 10 Commissioner, duly noted. 11 And, Ms. Brown, I just wanted to thank 12 you. Please continue to be an advocate for our 13 residents, appreciate that and I'm going to make 14 sure that you get your responses in writing 15 hopefully by next Wednesday. 16 MS. BROWN: Okay, thank you. 17 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Next speaker, 18 Ms. Kim Barnes. 19 MS. BARNES: Kim Barnes. 20 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Good evening, 21 Ms. Barnes. 22 MS. BARNES: Yes, I can hear you. Can 23 you hear me now? 24 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, please, 25 your time is starting. 12 1 MS. BARNES: Okay, good evening, 2 everyone. The reason I am not gracing y'all 3 presence this evening because I am out right now, 4 but point in hand I want to go back and revisit some 5 issues that were brought to this Board before. 6 Commissioner Muhammad was talking about the site 7 with Seth Boyden. It has always been the practice 8 with Newark Housing Authority that when they tear 9 these things down and they tell these people that 10 they can come back, that has never, ever happened 11 because I was one of the residents that lived at 12 Stella Wright. They tell you you can come back, but 13 you never can come back. 14 Secondly, I need to address issues -- 15 I also been looking at y'all budget. Researching 16 your budget and resolutions. It has been brought to 17 my knowledge that all the directors now have cars. 18 Where did they come from? I haven't seen that 19 resolution and I haven't seen y'all pass that 20 resolution and my thing is back in the past all 21 employees were entitled to funeral expenses. 22 Now, what I would also like to know is 23 the capital funding for the four sites that they are 24 converting to RAD, what happened to that account? 25 Thirdly, who is the director of 13 1 development and what is not operating expenses. I 2 see that y'all are leasing four cars with the 3 Director Broner is one of the directors. How does 4 that work and, lastly, here our residents wanted to 5 know that -- I need Director Knight to be at one of 6 our meetings since he's the director of Section 8 to 7 really explain to these residents how the Section 8 8 occurs, what is the different types of Section 8 9 vouchers are because when we had the RAD people come 10 here, they just went through it real quickly and 11 these people are not understanding. For me to try 12 to explain it to them is not happening and that's 13 all I have for this evening. Y'all have a good 14 evening. 15 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Thank you, Ms. 16 Barnes. 17 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, Ms. 18 Barnes. I hope you recuperate quickly. We will 19 definitely follow up on everything that you just 20 mentioned. 21 I would like to now call the next 22 speaker, Felicia Alston Singleton. Ms. Singleton. 23 MS. SINGLETON: I'm here. 24 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Hi, how are 25 you? 14 1 MS. SINGLETON: Good evening. 2 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Good evening, Ms. 3 Singleton. 4 MS. SINGLETON: Ready. 5 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yeah, start, 6 please. 7 MS. SINGLETON: Felicia Alston 8 Singleton. I agree with Myrna and Kim so I don't 9 even need to repeat those things. I do appreciate 10 the response that I got from the last meeting 11 referring to Governor Murphy and the written 12 moratorium. 13 Also, I want to know if the 14 Commissioner Board is supposed to be vested in the 15 best interest of the Housing Authority and the 16 residents that is under the Housing Authority to be 17 taken care of. Why hasn't anyone sat down with any 18 of these residents and I mean I have been working 19 with Tim and I appreciate Mr. Cirilo and I think 20 Vincent Rouse is working with me on one client that 21 I have really working with me. I have been very 22 patient and I appreciate that we are waiting on DCA, 23 however, it was said that the City was to be given 24 money. I would like an update from that. That 25 means that we should be asking the City because the 15 1 City asks us to employ their friends and family. 2 They ask us to make sure that everyone that they 3 sent over is taken care of when we are not being 4 taken care of as the residents. We are not being 5 educated on what our rights are through the ACOP 6 which means that if you are to pay the minimum of 7 fifty dollars that you -- if you cannot pay that and 8 you don't have a job, you can go and apply for 9 financial hardship which would drop your rent to 10 twelve dollars and this has been happening with one 11 client and over for a year and a half and it has not 12 been done as of yet. So what I am suggesting is 13 that we also train them to manage on the ACOP and 14 also bring the residents in for ACOP meeting per 15 site, not as one, but per site and let them know 16 what we are to do within the handbook because there 17 is a lot of things that is being done. People are 18 dying, leaving minor kids and then they are throwing 19 the child out and whoever takes over the child 20 supposed to get custody of the apartment as well. 21 This is in our ACOP. So if there is a minor child 22 in the house then someone is supposed to be there. 23 I'm just saying this situation is going on and ACOP 24 needs to be reviewed and educated through the staff 25 plus through the residents to let us know our rights 16 1 because you can say what you want to say. Nobody is 2 going home to read that portion of the lease or 3 whatever it is. 4 Next thing I want to say is the 5 capital funding that was supposed to be to redevelop 6 our homes, we are going out to demolish Seth Boyden 7 which has been for years abandoned. We are going 8 out doing all kinds of stuff and I agree with Kim, 9 Seth Boyden is one for one replacement because you 10 are going to try to do your one for one replacement 11 added to the West Side Park where y'all putting the 12 elderly people and that's not right and that is not 13 fair and that is now how it should go, but don't 14 worry I will go to a class and give all that 15 information out. 16 Last, but not least, land is being 17 sold, 83 -- and I am going to say this again and I 18 want the information on this. 83 17th Avenue, it 19 was a housing authority property that was sold for 20 one dollar, one dollar. Let me say it again, one 21 dollar. I would like to know why and how that 22 household sold and why wasn't a resident from the 23 Housing Authority from a resident from the housing 24 authority placed in that apartment for a dollar or 25 given the option to be chose in a lottery for that 17 1 apartment or can we start doing this with our 2 residents instead of trying to go through the 3 Section 8 program since we are paying or trading 4 land or whatever we are going to do for a dollar. 5 This dollar stuff is really killing me, really, 6 really killing me and the answer that we get is the 7 beat around stuff. Let me tell y'all something. If 8 you don't believe me, somebody is going to jail. 9 You better stop playing around because now I am 10 talking to the City, but this is the Feds. This is 11 federal money and the Feds are going to come there. 12 They are going to knock at that door. They are 13 going to check their money. It can't be ninety-nine 14 cent less or over, less or over or somebody is going 15 to jail and that it will be five thousand dollars 16 you are doing a federal crime. But last, but not 17 least, the Housing Authority will be the key to 18 bring the City of Newark down. Trust and believe 19 when I tell you people wake up. Do what is right. 20 Do what is right by the residents and please start 21 doing capital funding. When are they going to do 22 the repairs for the work orders that was done 23 pre-COVID that they are not coming in and doing 24 because I have about twenty-five that they have not 25 replied. They are only doing emergencies right now. 18 1 So I want to know when is that going to be done? 2 Nothing else should be done until all of our 3 apartments are fixed and done right. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, Ms. 5 Singleton. Thank you for your recommendations. 6 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I just want to 7 have a question to Felicia. What is the exact 8 address for 83 that has been sold for a dollar that 9 you mentioned. 10 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: For the 11 record -- 12 MS. SINGLETON: Who is that? 13 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: That was 14 Commissioner Baez and I would respond. For the 15 record, I believe you said 83 17th Avenue. That's 16 the address. 17 MS. SINGLETON: It sold for a dollar. 18 I have the deeds record and I have a picture of the 19 place. Also, thank you for that and I want to say, 20 Commissioner, thank you for being attentive and 21 listening to us. We appreciate you and good evening 22 to all the Commissioners and especially Mr. Victor 23 Cirilo. 24 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Thank you. 25 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 19 1 Good night. 2 MS. SINGLETON: Good night. 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I would like to 4 call up our next speaker, Jacqueline Peoples. 5 MS. PEOPLES: Can you hear me? 6 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 7 MS. PEOPLES: I wrote because the last 8 time I spoke at the meeting and this time I was 9 asking for a paint job. I have been begging for a 10 paint job. A hundred and fifty-seven million 11 dollars came from the Federal Government to the 12 housing authority. Why can't I have a paint job? 13 Can you hear me? 14 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, you can 15 continue. 16 MS. PEOPLES: Why can't I have a paint 17 job? The other thing is what happened to the money 18 for the affordable housing on James Street that was 19 promised twelve years ago. It is still an empty 20 lot. Who is speaking? 21 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: This is 22 Commissioner Gonzalez. We are just listening to 23 you. You have four minutes so we are just listening 24 to you. 25 MS. PEOPLES: I want a paint job. I 20 1 am tired of waiting for a paint job. This is 2 ridiculous. 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I will have 4 our -- Director Rouse is here. I am going to have 5 him look. 6 MS. PEOPLES: He don't call nobody. 7 He needs to repent for his sins. He don't call 8 nobody. That's the truth. I need somebody to come 9 over there and help paint the walls. I don't -- 10 that is why I am in this meeting today because I 11 will let Felicia deal with the policies. What 12 happened to the housing, affordable housing that 13 Orange and James Street. 14 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Okay. Thank 15 you, Ms. Peoples. If that is all, I'm going to 16 ensure that Director Rouse gives you a call tomorrow 17 morning. 18 MS. PEOPLES: When tomorrow morning? 19 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Tomorrow is 20 Friday. 21 MS. PEOPLES: Let him call me at 22 10:00 o'clock, not 8:30 in the morning. 23 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I will make 24 sure someone calls you tomorrow at 10:00 o'clock and 25 thank you and have a pleasant evening. 21 1 MS. PEOPLES: Will he be able to 2 answer the Orange Street question? 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: We will put 4 that in writing as well, okay. Thank you. 5 MS. PEOPLES: Okay, thank you. 6 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I would like to 7 call our next speaker who I believe is here, Mr. 8 Garraway. 9 MR. GARRAWAY: Good afternoon, 10 everyone. 11 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Good afternoon. 12 MR. GARRAWAY: Thank you so much for 13 this time. Before I get started I really want to 14 say thank you so much to Ms. Katia Oliveira because 15 over the past month she has literally been the only 16 reason I am able to connect with anyone and I have 17 been coming here for a year. So I understand the 18 situation is pretty complex as it's been proven I'm 19 still coming here for an entire year, but what I 20 have been experiencing in the last month has really 21 taken everything to another level. 22 Now, the last time I was here I 23 discussed the situation in my current apartment 24 which we have been discussing for an entire year 25 literally falling apart. I asked some questions and 22 1 after that I was promised a letter and in that 2 letter that I received there was no answer to any of 3 the questions that was asked at that meeting. I am 4 still in that unit that is currently falling apart. 5 The only answer that I received was a reason on why 6 I don't have a working refrigerator. The answer 7 that I received was because I didn't allow that 8 repair to happen. Which I think is really asinine 9 because if I have been in a unit since 2018 that 10 hasn't made any repairs and I have been told by 11 Section 8 that they haven't been able to contact the 12 management company, that is why these repairs 13 weren't being done. I find it really ironic within 14 twenty-four hours I got a response on why I don't 15 have a working refrigerator which was completely 16 benign and really juvenile to the situation that is 17 at hand because I have walls falling apart, ceiling 18 falling on me, but I was told in this letter the 19 reason I don't have a fridge. Nothing else was 20 addressed. 21 But I still continue to progress and 22 try to make the situation as best as I can to really 23 get out of the situation, but that's been the main 24 goal from everyone. We need you out of this unit. 25 We need you out of this unit, that's been the goal. 23 1 The last time I was here Mr. Cirilo promised me that 2 if I got him the information for the searches that I 3 was doing, he would personally reach out to these 4 landlords on my behalf. That has never happened. 5 After me providing the information, I followed up 6 with those landlords that I provided. None of them 7 heard anything from Section 8. They heard from no 8 one from Section 8. So here's where that led. Mr. 9 Knight provided me with a list of landlords in 10 Newark in the very beginning to look at this list 11 and from that list I was able to connect with 12 Freedom Realty. 13 How that situation played out was I 14 paid a three hundred dollar down payment. From that 15 three hundred dollars down payment I was supposed to 16 have a specific balance left to pay. When they 17 submitted the paperwork to Section 8, they hiked up 18 and added fifteen hundred dollars on top of what 19 they were originally asking for. Mr. Knight said 20 that was unethical, but not illegal so there was 21 nothing that could be done in that situation. So I 22 then counted my losses and I moved on. I found 23 another unit and with this unit everything seemed to 24 be going the way it needed. It's been really 25 difficult because I haven't been able to get in 24 1 contact with anyone. The only time I can speak to 2 anyone is if Mr. Katia calls internally and she's on 3 the phone on three-way so the last four 4 conversations I had with Mr. Young, Mrs. Oliveira 5 was on the phone as well. So here's what happened. 6 The situation repeated. We found a new landlord. 7 The landlord submitted RTA package, everything to 8 Section 8 that needed to be done with a specific 9 move-in ask, a specific amount. The paperwork went 10 through, everything was set to go, inspection 11 happened. I signed a lease. I have a signed lease 12 from this landlord. I was supposed to be moving in 13 on the 2nd. I called to confirm with Mr. Young that 14 everything was good to go and I said should I go 15 ahead and make this deposit. He said go ahead make 16 the security deposit. After that was done the 17 landlord then again, same process, hiked up the 18 asking fee. Mr. Young said that is not possible as 19 a Section 8 tenant that is not what I am allowed to 20 pay. They were asking for too much. I had already 21 given a three thousand dollar deposit. So where are 22 we today. I have a signed lease for a landlord that 23 currently has my three thousand dollar deposit, has 24 confirmed with Mr. Young that he is not going to 25 move forward because he doesn't agree with the 25 1 protocols and procedures of Section 8 and the way 2 payments are made so at this time I am out of three 3 thousand dollars. I don't have access to the 4 landlord that signed all of these documents with 5 Section 8. He is no longer answering none of my 6 calls, but of course I am still in this unit and 7 expected to make payments for the coming months. So 8 I really need some assistance more than I did 9 before. 10 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Okay. Thank 11 you so much, Mr. Garraway. Mr. E.D., I'm going to 12 ask you that you please contact Mr. Garraway and 13 this time I would also like to be cc'd on his 14 response as well, okay? 15 MR. CIRILO: Can you ask the speaker 16 if he moved into the new unit. 17 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Have you moved 18 into the unit? 19 MR. GARRAWAY: Never got a chance to 20 move into the unit because he confirmed yesterday 21 with Mr. Young he no longer wants us in the unit 22 after the money was paid. 23 MR. CIRILO: We have a signed lease so 24 we will explore legal options. 25 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: If you have the 26 1 lease, could you have Ms. Katia make a copy for us. 2 MR. GARRAWAY: It is all in e-mail. I 3 have been provided everything in e-mail. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I haven't seen 5 it. 6 MR. GARRAWAY: I want to make it clear 7 there is multiple people in the room. 8 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 9 MR. GARRAWAY: Oh, in regards to my 10 three thousand dollars security deposit. 11 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: We are going to 12 make sure, just like I said, you are going to get a 13 response, okay. Thank you, Mr. Garraway. 14 MR. GARRAWAY: You're welcome. 15 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, 16 everyone. That concludes our speakers for tonight. 17 Now, we would like to move to the 18 items for approval on our agenda. The first item 19 being the Board monthly activities report. 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Commissioner 21 Muhammad. 22 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, 23 Commissioner Muhammad. 24 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I need some 25 more information. The E.D. sent me information that 27 1 was very good. I just need to know what's the new 2 procedure now. Does he want to explain it to us? 3 What is the new procedure? 4 MR. CIRILO: Sure, thank you, Madam 5 Chair, Commissioner Muhammad and just to confirm we 6 are talking about the Mod issue? 7 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 8 MR. CIRILO: So the new -- the 9 department started implementing the procedure. 10 Basically, it's taking away the ability for managers 11 to directly enter units into the category of Mod 12 because it makes everything so confusing. So that's 13 the first start. We are going to put a system in 14 place where there's a direct request that needs to 15 come into the operations department followed by a 16 review by our coordinator and lastly HUD needs final 17 sign-off before something is considered to be under 18 Mod. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: That's great. 20 I was talking to some of the managers today and she 21 said they used to when they had the regionals the 22 regionals had to approve so now it is different. 23 The Mod situation I really would like to have 24 somebody audit that to see what the condition, what 25 the real condition of these units really in. Are 28 1 they just missing a sink or do they really have some 2 serious problems. I would like -- I don't know if 3 you want to make a resolution. I'd like to call a 4 resolution that we do an audit and get back to us in 5 thirty days to tell us what the real condition of 6 the units that is in Mod. 7 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, 8 Commissioner Muhammad. I don't know if we really 9 need a resolution for that, but since you asked I 10 think that's a great request. Thirty days is 11 reasonable and, Director Cirilo, I would like 12 whoever is in charge, I don't want to call names, 13 but whoever is in charge of repairs and maintenance 14 to make sure that they start working on that and 15 within thirty days have a written report to the 16 Commissioners. 17 MR. CIRILO: Absolutely. And just for 18 clarification, I just want to make sure that it is 19 only the units that are officially in Mod as 20 approved by HUD, correct? 21 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 22 MR. CIRILO: All right, very good. 23 Thank you, Commissioner. 24 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: So thank you so 25 much. 29 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: There is 2 something else I want to say. The rent collection 3 looked pretty good. Sometimes you know how people 4 come with bad news. I just want to give props on 5 the rent collection and I think we are working on 6 the recertification. I think the E.D. said we are 7 working on the recertifications, but like I heard 8 managers complain, for instance, that they have like 9 thirty recertifications, but they are in legal so, 10 for instance, I am looking at one here they have 11 twenty-eight people that are not recertified and 12 then they have twenty-eight in legal. This doesn't 13 affect our subsidy or anything like that, does it? 14 MR. CIRILO: Sure. Can you reference 15 which report that is, Commissioner? 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes, scattered 17 sites, page nine and it's the Clinton Town Hills. 18 It has twenty-eight recerts that is overdue, but it 19 is in legal, twenty-eight and it got an A. 20 MR. CIRILO: I see what you are 21 saying. So what that means is that -- and Mr. Mena 22 can correct me if I'm wrong -- it means that we 23 haven't recertified them because of various reasons 24 either because they haven't come in. 25 MR. MENA: That's correct. 30 1 MR. CIRILO: The resident hasn't come 2 in. What we do in that case, we file for eviction 3 because they haven't complied with the requirements 4 under the lease to come in and be certified or it 5 can be a situation where there is a nonpayment of 6 rent in which case we can't recertify until the 7 information -- I'm sorry, the balance is brought 8 up-to-date and we can properly quantify that 9 recertification. So it can be a number of things. 10 I don't know if I missed any other situation where a 11 pass through recert could be considered illegal. 12 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: It don't 13 affect our subsidy, does it? 14 MR. CIRILO: Yes and no, Commissioner. 15 That's a great point so it affects -- it could 16 affect subsidy because we are, for example, 17 subsidizing a client at let's say at a lower rent 18 than we should be collecting because they haven't 19 certified. So basically we are losing out on the 20 amount of rent that we could collect. 21 Number two or it could be the other 22 way around, we are charging too much from the tenant 23 and we are collecting the subsidy is thrown off in 24 that situation so, yeah, it does affect the subsidy 25 that is coming in, but my understanding is that this 31 1 is reconciled on a month-to-month basis now. HUD 2 has put some controls in place to make sure that 3 every month similar to the Section 8 department in 4 their VMS system we are sending in data on a 5 month-to-month basis and if, for example, there is a 6 certification that is done three months later, it's 7 balanced out or rectified three months later 8 retroactively. So HUD recognizes that. 9 Imagine the days when there were no 10 electronic controls in place. I mean that was 11 probably a bookkeeping nightmare, but now HUD has 12 been able to develop these systems over the last 13 decade where we can reconcile these late recerts. 14 But in a situation like this, Commissioner, to your 15 point, it's not nothing the manager or the site can 16 do about this. It's just it is a situation where 17 the tenant has to abide by the terms of the lease, 18 but in a situation where we just disregarded the 19 calendar, then yes, the housing authority is at 20 fault in that situation. 21 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: How are we 22 doing with the Section 8, how many vouchers did we 23 give out last month? 24 MR. CIRILO: Based on the report it 25 should be in here. 32 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: It is not on 2 the report for Section 8. It's never on the report 3 how many vouchers we give out in Section 8. 4 MR. KNIGHT: Can I get that to you. I 5 don't know it offhand. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am going to 7 ask you that every month. 8 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: As a matter of 9 fact, Commissioner, and Mr. Knight I would actually 10 like to add that to the report. 11 MR. KNIGHT: Definitely. 12 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Because even 13 though these are MIS reports that we are getting, we 14 can ask for additional information. So I would like 15 to add that to the report as well how many new 16 Section 8 vouchers are being issued and then also I 17 would like to add to that the ones that the City of 18 Newark approved as well. So make sure that we get 19 that, thank you. 20 So if there is no more questions on 21 this, could I entertain a motion. 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will move it 23 for you. 24 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I will second it. 25 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Director, 33 1 Commissioner Muhammad and Baez. 2 MR. CIRILO: On the motion, Madam 3 Chair. 4 Commissioner Muhammad. 5 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 6 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Osborne. 7 Commissioner Costa. 8 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 9 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 10 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 11 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 12 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 13 MR. CIRILO: Chairperson Gonzalez. 14 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 15 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 16 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I need a motion 17 to have the Board transcripts approved. 18 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I will move it. 19 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: For March 24 20 and April 11. I wanted to add that. 21 So commissioner Baez. I will second 22 it. 23 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, on the 24 motion. 25 Commissioner Muhammad. 34 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 2 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Osborne. 3 Commissioner Costa. 4 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I'm not voting. 5 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 6 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 7 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 8 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 9 MR. CIRILO: Chairperson Gonzalez. 10 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 11 MR. CIRILO: So we don't have 12 sufficient votes -- I'm sorry, Commissioner Baez was 13 a yes. The motion passes. My apologies, Madam 14 Chair. 15 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. So 16 now we would like to move on to voting resolutions 17 and we are going to call these out all individually. 18 So we can start with the first. 19 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, the first 20 resolution reads resolution authorizing and 21 ratifying the execution of documents relating to the 22 conversion, demolition, finance, development and 23 management of the West Side Village complex. 24 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I have some 25 questions. 35 1 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, sir. 2 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I believe 3 Mr. Webster is here. The E.D. said Mr. Webster is 4 here. 5 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, we have 6 Mr. Arnold Webster here representing the development 7 team and I believe Mr. Bacari Lee is also here 8 representing special redevelopment counsel 9 representing Newark Housing Authority. 10 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: We also have 11 Greg Good, am I correct? 12 MR. CIRILO: Greg Good and also 13 there's Mr. Marchioso is also virtual to address any 14 questions regarding finances. 15 Commissioner Muhammad. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Mr. Webster, 17 you made me go back into my books. I don't know if 18 I appreciate that. 19 MR. WEBSTER: How are you, sir? 20 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: The E.D. or it 21 was somebody else involved first and we had to bring 22 what I remember, E.D., you told me they wanted a lot 23 of money like eight million dollars or something. 24 That was a lot of money and we ended up going with 25 Mars and I was reading. I had to go to the 36 1 transcript and the transcript back in January and 2 the transcript says we need to first get -- this is 3 the E.D. talking. We need first to get approval and 4 then he will figure out how, you know, the 5 redevelopment plan addresses it. The Housing 6 Authority is required to put some skin -- I like 7 that -- into the deal in the form of the land in the 8 form of some subsidies via project based vouchers 9 and perhaps some financial amounts. So you covered 10 yourself, you know, it was covered. 11 Now, because I was like wait a minute. 12 We didn't say no money, but the E.D. said money. I 13 got an idea. I don't know if it would work or not. 14 I know 1.3 in fifteen years ain't going to be 1.3. 15 I have been around almost seventy years. I think I 16 bought my first house for seventy-eight thousand and 17 it is four hundred thousand now. The one I bought 18 for seven hundred thousand is two million so money 19 change. Can we do a deal, E.D., where we put 20 interest on the money that we getting fifteen years, 21 not to pay interest at the time, but it could be 22 compounded that the money will be worth something 23 because in fifteen years 1.3 is not going to be 24 worth nothing. 25 MR. WEBSTER: Can I respond? So you 37 1 are not loaning money to the deal. It is not 2 like -- you are actually are a co-investor. You are 3 a partner in the transaction. We split all the 4 money so whatever we get out of the deal, you get 5 the same percentage out of the deal. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Why do you say 7 we are getting it back. Remember the guy said 8 fifteen years. 9 MR. WEBSTER: There is not a 1.X 10 million dollar transaction. There is not 1.X 11 million dollar payment back. You are getting money 12 up front. There is some costs up front where you 13 are getting five hundred thousand dollars, but there 14 is not a payment at the end. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: He misspoke. 16 MR. WEBSTER: I don't remember him 17 saying that. 18 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I am on you 19 now. He said the 1.3 was going to give back. 20 MR. WEBSTER: So this deal is not like 21 the first deal. The first deal was the initial 22 person was going to come in they were going to take 23 the deal and run it and give you a check. You guys 24 got a better deal out of us. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I agree. 38 1 MR. WEBSTER: So we are going into 2 this deal and we are splitting everything. We are 3 splitting developer fee, we're splitting the 4 revenue, we are splitting all the money. So you are 5 not necessarily loaning money to the deal. We are 6 investing money in the deal. We already spent six 7 hundred thousand dollars on demolition, on 8 predevelopment costs, on site plan approvals, on 9 architects, engineers. So we are all spending money 10 at the same time. So we are all going to -- 11 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Okay, 12 appreciate it. So somebody just misspoke. That is 13 okay. 14 MR. WEBSTER: I wanted to recast the 15 transaction. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Let me say 17 this to you. I think it's a good deal. 18 MR. WEBSTER: It is a great deal. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Let me tell 20 you why it is a good great deal because there is 21 only twenty-two million which is good price. It is 22 beautiful. It is beautiful. 23 MR. WEBSTER: Phase I is two million 24 dollars. 25 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I want the 1.3 39 1 back with interest, but you told me I am your 2 partner. 3 MR. WEBSTER: You're my partner. You 4 actually get the better end of the deal because at 5 the end of time you get the whole project back. 6 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: You know, I'll 7 never believe that. Commissioner, I'm good. 8 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you, 9 great. Thank you so much. I would like to now if 10 there are no more questions, I would like to move to 11 have a motion -- 12 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I will move. 13 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: -- to get this 14 resolution approved. 15 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will second. 16 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: So who do we 17 have, Costa and Muhammad. 18 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Director, I just 19 wanted to say thank you. It took us a long time. I 20 remember Commissioner Costa took about six years 21 trying to put that deal together. 22 MR. WEBSTER: You guys did a great 23 job. 24 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I just hope things 25 work. 40 1 MR. WEBSTER: We are going to 2 hopefully will be breaking ground -- 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Once this gets 4 approved, we want to break ground. We want to see 5 some shovels so let's get on to the vote. We have 6 Commissioner Muhammad and Commissioner Baez. Do we 7 take a -- 8 MR. CIRILO: Yes, Madam Chair, Mr. 9 Good just made mention to me that HUD has officially 10 sent us an approval letter for the demolition so the 11 objective is now official that we are going to be 12 redeveloping that whole zone and HUD has approved. 13 MR. WEBSTER: Congratulations. 14 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Let's take on 15 the vote so we could go. 16 MR. CIRILO: We are in the middle of a 17 motion. My apologies, Madam Chair. 18 Commissioner Muhammad. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 20 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 21 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 22 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 23 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Oh, yes. 24 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 25 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 41 1 MR. CIRILO: Chairwoman Gonzalez. 2 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 5 Now, thank you, Mr. Webster. Thank you, Mr. Good 6 for that great news and hopefully we will all be at 7 the ground breaking and please save me a shovel. 8 MR. WEBSTER: Thank you. Have a good 9 night, everyone. 10 THE COURT: I would like to now go to 11 the next resolution, Director, please. 12 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, the next 13 resolution reads resolution ratifying an agreement 14 for professional services awarded to Brinkerhoff 15 Environmental Services, Incorporated in the amount 16 of fifteen million four hundred -- I'm sorry, 17 fifteen thousand four hundred seventy-two dollars 18 and fifty cents for the performance of preliminary 19 assessment and reporting in association with grant 20 funds awarded by the New Jersey Department of 21 Environmental Protection and the New Jersey Economic 22 Development Authority. 23 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Since I would 24 like to have 03 and 04 read together because one is 25 accepting the grant. So if we could get both of 42 1 them voted. 2 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes, I was going 3 to say that Chairman, yes. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Two and three. 5 MR. CIRILO: The next resolution, 6 Madam Chair, reads resolution accepting a grant in 7 the amount of fifteen thousand four hundred 8 seventy-three dollars and fifty cents from the 9 Hazardous Discharge Site Remediation Fund municipal 10 grant program and authorizes the Executive Director 11 to be authorized -- the authorized representative to 12 execute all grant documents. 13 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Okay, could I 14 have a motion? 15 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I will move it. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I will second 17 it. 18 MR. CIRILO: Actually, Commissioner 19 Logan and Commissioner Muhammad. 20 On the motion, Commissioner Muhammad. 21 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 22 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 23 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 24 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 25 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 43 1 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 2 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 3 MR. CIRILO: Chairwoman Gonzalez. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 5 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 6 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Next 7 resolution, please. 8 MR. CIRILO: The next resolution reads 9 the resolution authorizing the engagement of Trenk 10 Isabel Siddiqi and Shahdanian, P.C. for the 11 provision of legal services to represent the NHA in 12 the area of internal compliance regulatory functions 13 and processes in an amount not to exceed fifty 14 thousand dollars for a period of one year for a 15 total award amount of a hundred thousand or two 16 years, whichever comes first. 17 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I have a question. 18 On that resolution you talk about like engagement, 19 what kind of engagement? 20 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Would you like 21 to respond or could I respond? 22 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I don't think 23 he was here. 24 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: You weren't 25 here at the last meeting so, Elio, could you please 44 1 let him answer that, please. 2 MR. MENA: Sure. 3 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: They gave a 4 presentation. 5 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I'm sorry, I was 6 not here. 7 MR. MENA: The Chairwoman has asked 8 for additional assistance in the area of legal 9 services to bring in some level or another level of 10 expertise to the internal compliance regulatory 11 functions and processes to make sure that we are 12 doing everything consistent with HUD regulations and 13 state regulations that effect us on a day-to-day 14 basis. Reginald Jenkins one of the partners of the 15 firm spoke about his experience representing 16 municipal agencies in the past and still does. 17 Richard Trenk another partner also testified about 18 his experience in the area as well as assisting us 19 in the past in preventing what could have been an 20 expensive litigation and they will be called upon as 21 needed just like our other firms that we call upon 22 in areas of development, landlord/tenant law, 23 general liability defense or other matters we're 24 bringing on board another firm to engage as needed 25 in that area. 45 1 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Okay. 2 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. If 3 no more questions, could we have a motion. 4 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I'll move it. 5 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: I will second 6 it. 7 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, on the 8 motion. 9 Commissioner Muhammad. 10 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 11 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 12 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 13 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 14 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 15 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 16 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 17 MR. CIRILO: Chairwoman Gonzalez. 18 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 19 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 20 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 21 Could you please let's go to the last 22 resolution. 23 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, the last 24 resolution reads resolution authorizing a contract 25 with Mir Refinish for refinishing bathtubs, tub 46 1 surrounds and bathroom sinks for an initial term of 2 one year at a cost of a hundred and seventy-two 3 thousand five hundred a year with an option to renew 4 at the NHA's discretion for an additional one year 5 term in an aggregate contract amount not to exceed 6 three hundred forty-five thousand or two years, 7 whichever comes first. 8 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Commissioner 9 Muhammad. 10 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, please. 11 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Pastor Rouse, 12 is these numbers, these are all your units or these 13 are the units that are being done or these just 14 telling you all the units? 15 MR. ROUSE: Those are the sites. 16 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: These are the 17 sites, not saying what is going to be done? 18 MR. ROUSE: Exactly. 19 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I was like 20 wow. 21 MR. ROUSE: We developed it up against 22 everybody so whoever needs it, they can go in. 23 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: If they need 24 it. 25 MR. ROUSE: Yes. 47 1 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: I do apologize 2 to say that you are not a construction man. You 3 jumped on me out in the elevator, Pastor, repent. 4 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: If there is no 5 more questions, can we please have a motion for 6 approval. 7 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I'll move. 8 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I will second. I 9 need my bathtub done too. 10 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, on the 11 motion. 12 Commissioner Muhammad. 13 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 14 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 15 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 16 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 17 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 18 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 19 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 20 MR. CIRILO: Chairwoman Gonzalez. 21 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 22 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 23 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. 24 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Commissioner 25 Gonzalez. 48 1 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Just something 3 short. Sam, our financial person and Elio got the 4 numbers to me. I want you to say and I need to say 5 on the record when this financial committee meeting 6 because that is a better spot to talk about it 7 because I had the numbers like five million, seven 8 million so I need to sit down and I guess I am on 9 that committee so if I am on the committee when can 10 we have a meeting for that committee? We need to do 11 that next week if possible. 12 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes, I believe 13 the treasurer committee. Don't forget we are closed 14 Monday, am I correct? We are closed Monday. So 15 could we do something Thursday or Friday? I'm not 16 on the committee, but let the committee chair pick. 17 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Whatever day 18 you pick. 19 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Tuesday, Wednesday 20 or Thursday, please. 21 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Thursday is 22 fine. 23 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Thank you. So 24 thank you so much and now I would like to have a 25 motion to adjourn this meeting. 49 1 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: I make a motion to 2 adjourn the meeting. 3 COMMISSIONER COSTA: I'll second. 4 MR. CIRILO: Madam Chair, on the 5 motion to adjourn. 6 Commissioner Muhammad. 7 COMMISSIONER MUHAMMAD: Yes. 8 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Costa. 9 COMMISSIONER COSTA: Yes. 10 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Baez. 11 COMMISSIONER BAEZ: Yes. 12 MR. CIRILO: Commissioner Logan. 13 COMMISSIONER LOGAN: Yes. 14 MR. CIRILO: Chairwoman Gonzalez. 15 CHAIRPERSON GONZALEZ: Yes. 16 MR. CIRILO: Motion passes. 17 18 (Whereupon, the proceedings were 19 concluded at 6:05 p.m.) 20 21 22 23 24 25 50 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, ANTHONY HOFMANN, a Certified Court 4 Reporter, and Notary Public within and for the State 5 of New Jersey, certify that the foregoing is a true 6 and accurate transcript of the stenographic notes of 7 said witness(es)who were first duly sworn by me, on 8 the date and place hereinbefore set forth. 9 10 11 12 ___________________________ ANTHONY HOFMANN, C.C.R. 13 LICENSE NO. XIO1854 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25